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Access Date: February 03, 2023
"4178" could possibly indicate the grade of the watch and not the serial number of your movement. Serial numbers are usually more than a few digits.
From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 69
B.W. Raymond
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 4178 | |
| Grade: | 69 | |
| Variation: | B.W. Raymond | |
| Model: | 1 | |
| Class: | 1 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1867 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 3 of 24 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 29,054 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 26,054 (18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND) | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 15j | |
| Movement Configuration: | Adaptable | |
| Movement Finish: | Gilt | |
| Movement Setting: | Key | |
| Plate: | Full Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 2 | |
| Adjustment Tolerance: | [21] 2P +/- 15 s/24hrs., Temp. +/- 8 s/16hrs., Reg. +/- 5 s/24hrs. | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078 | |
| Data Research: |
1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
|
| Case: | Various | |
| Registry Population: | 18 (1.80%) | |
| Database Version: | v49.752 | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 69
Target Profile: 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND
| Elgin Grade 69 (All Variations): 29,054 ETP | |
| 18S: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69 |
|
| 18S-M1: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1 |
|
| 18S-M1-15J: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels |
|
| 18S-M1-15J-HGK: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels, Adaptable/Key/Gilt |
|
| 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P: 29,054 100.00% | |
| 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND: 26,054 89.67% | |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 4024 | #24 | Inferred | ||
| 2 |
Image Credit: sgallo |
4053 | #53 | Collection | July 06, 2020 |
| 3 | 4069 | #69 | Inferred | ||
| 4 |
Image Credit: texnet |
4078 | #78 | Collection | July 23, 2020 |
| 5 | 4165 | #165 | Collection | January 26, 2017 | |
| 6 |
Image Credit: xtoolmanx |
4178 | #178 | Collection | October 18, 2021 |
| 7 | 4200 | #200 | Inferred | ||
| 8 |
Image Credit: mlat2012 |
4299 | #299 | Collection | June 12, 2017 |
| 9 | 4403 | #403 | Collection | February 08, 2016 | |
| 10 |
Image Credit: MJKauz |
4449 | #449 | Collection | December 19, 2019 |
| 11 | 4568 | #568 | Inferred | ||
| 12 | 4578 | #578 | Inferred | ||
| 13 |
Image Credit: cfergyjr |
4723 | #723 | Collection | January 14, 2018 |
| 14 | 4807 | #807 | Inferred | ||
| 15 |
Image Credit: yellowsub |
4855 | #855 | Collection | June 18, 2020 |
| 16 | 4902 | #902 | Collection | December 14, 2020 | |
| 17 | 4903 | #903 | Inferred | ||
| 18 | 4967 | #967 | Collection | March 10, 2021 | |
| Standard Deviation of Known Examples: 337.61 (Expected: 288.82, Δ48.79/4.88%) | |||||
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · January 5, 2022
Serial Number 4151 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 10, 2021
Serial Number 4750 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 17, 2021
Serial Number 4518 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 13, 2020
Serial Number 4410 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 5, 2020
Serial Number 4967 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 16, 2020
Serial Number 4750 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · August 30, 2020
Serial Number 4410 was reported as accurate.
texnet Supporter 684 · July 19, 2020
Serial Number 4078 was reported as accurate.
sgallo 5 · July 6, 2020
Serial Number 4053 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 14, 2020
Serial Number 4598 was reported as accurate.
MJKauz Supporter 23 · December 19, 2019
Serial Number 4449 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 23, 2019
Serial Number 4626 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · November 18, 2018
Serial Number 4891 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 28, 2018
Serial Number 4232 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 21, 2018
Serial Number 4750 was reported as accurate.
linesuper 1 · March 25, 2018
Serial Number 4584 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 15, 2018
Serial Number 4700 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 14, 2018
Serial Number 4723 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · January 14, 2018
Serial Number 4723 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · September 22, 2017
Serial Number 4199 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 16, 2017
Serial Number 4210 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · May 23, 2017
Serial Number 4299 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 24, 2017
Serial Number 4021 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · January 27, 2017
Serial Number 4165 was reported as accurate.
wardralston 2 · January 26, 2017
Serial Number 4165 was reported as accurate.
aolinske 1 · January 20, 2017
Serial Number 4586 was reported as accurate.
aolinske 1 · January 20, 2017
Serial Number 4586 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 31, 2016
Serial Number 4300 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 9, 2016
Serial Number 4033 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 8, 2016
Serial Number 4403 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · February 7, 2016
Serial Number 4258 was reported as accurate.
jloveastvan23 1 · October 30, 2015
Serial Number 4069 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 8, 2015
Serial Number 4245 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · September 17, 2015
Serial Number 4200 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · December 25, 2013
Serial Number 4077 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 20, 2013
Serial Number 4364 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · July 2, 2013
Serial Number 4636 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · April 10, 2013
Serial Number 4026 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 27, 2013
Serial Number 4020 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · March 5, 2013
Serial Number 4455 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · February 8, 2013
Serial Number 4412 was reported as inaccurate.
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Anonymous · February 4, 2013
Serial Number 4201 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · December 3, 2012
Serial Number 4017 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · October 2, 2012
Serial Number 4804 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · June 12, 2012
Serial Number 4741 was reported as accurate.
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