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From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin Grade 69 Pocket Watch

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 69

B.W. Raymond

Manufacturer: Elgin
Manufacturer Location: Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number: 4178
Grade: 69
Variation: B.W. Raymond
Model: 1
Class: 1
Estimated Production Year: 1867
Run Quantity: 1,000
Grade/Model Run: 3 of 24
Grade/Model Total Production: 29,054
Variant Est. Production: 26,054 (18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND)
Size: 18s
Jewels: 15j
Movement Configuration: Adaptable
Movement Finish: Gilt
Movement Setting: Key
Plate: Full Plate
Barrel: Going
Train: Quick
Adjusted: Yes
Adjusted to Position: Yes
Adjusted # of Positions: 2
Adjustment Tolerance: [21] 2P +/- 15 s/24hrs., Temp. +/- 8 s/16hrs., Reg. +/- 5 s/24hrs.
Railroad Grade: Yes
U.S. Patents: 77078
Data Research: 1896 Elgin Serial List
1904 Elgin Serial List
1915 Elgin Serial List
1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Case: Various
Registry Population: 18 (1.80%)
Database Version: v49.752

Production Metrics Tree: Grade 69

Target Profile: 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND

Elgin Grade 69 (All Variations): 29,054 ETP
18S: 29,054 100.00%
18s, Grade 69
18S-M1: 29,054 100.00%
18s, Grade 69, Model 1
18S-M1-15J: 29,054 100.00%
18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels
18S-M1-15J-HGK: 29,054 100.00%
18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels, Adaptable/Key/Gilt
18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P: 29,054 100.00%
18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND: 26,054 89.67%

Population Registry for This Run

Image Serial Number Run Position Primary Identification Method Discovery Date
1 4024 #24 Inferred
2
Image Credit: sgallo
4053 #53 Collection July 06, 2020
3 4069 #69 Inferred
4
Image Credit: texnet
4078 #78 Collection July 23, 2020
5 4165 #165 Collection January 26, 2017
6
Image Credit: xtoolmanx
4178 #178 Collection October 18, 2021
7 4200 #200 Inferred
8
Image Credit: mlat2012
4299 #299 Collection June 12, 2017
9 4403 #403 Collection February 08, 2016
10
Image Credit: MJKauz
4449 #449 Collection December 19, 2019
11 4568 #568 Inferred
12 4578 #578 Inferred
13
Image Credit: cfergyjr
4723 #723 Collection January 14, 2018
14 4807 #807 Inferred
15
Image Credit: yellowsub
4855 #855 Collection June 18, 2020
16 4902 #902 Collection December 14, 2020
17 4903 #903 Inferred
18 4967 #967 Collection March 10, 2021
Standard Deviation of Known Examples: 337.61 (Expected: 288.82, Δ48.79/4.88%)

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.


Anonymous · January 5, 2022

Serial Number 4151 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 10, 2021

Serial Number 4750 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 17, 2021

Serial Number 4518 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 13, 2020

Serial Number 4410 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 5, 2020

Serial Number 4967 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 16, 2020

Serial Number 4750 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · August 30, 2020

Serial Number 4410 was reported as accurate.

texnet Supporter 684 · July 19, 2020

Serial Number 4078 was reported as accurate.

sgallo 5 · July 6, 2020

Serial Number 4053 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 14, 2020

Serial Number 4598 was reported as accurate.

MJKauz Supporter 23 · December 19, 2019

Serial Number 4449 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 23, 2019

Serial Number 4626 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · November 18, 2018

Serial Number 4891 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 28, 2018

Serial Number 4232 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 21, 2018

Serial Number 4750 was reported as accurate.

linesuper 1 · March 25, 2018

Serial Number 4584 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 15, 2018

Serial Number 4700 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 14, 2018

Serial Number 4723 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 14, 2018

Serial Number 4723 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · September 22, 2017

Serial Number 4199 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · June 16, 2017

Serial Number 4210 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 23, 2017

Serial Number 4299 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · April 24, 2017

Serial Number 4021 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · January 27, 2017

Serial Number 4165 was reported as accurate.

wardralston 2 · January 26, 2017

Serial Number 4165 was reported as accurate.

aolinske 1 · January 20, 2017

Serial Number 4586 was reported as accurate.

aolinske 1 · January 20, 2017

Serial Number 4586 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 31, 2016

Serial Number 4300 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 9, 2016

Serial Number 4033 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 8, 2016

Serial Number 4403 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · February 7, 2016

Serial Number 4258 was reported as accurate.

jloveastvan23 1 · October 30, 2015

Serial Number 4069 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · October 8, 2015

Serial Number 4245 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · September 17, 2015

Serial Number 4200 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · December 25, 2013

Serial Number 4077 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 20, 2013

Serial Number 4364 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · July 2, 2013

Serial Number 4636 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · April 10, 2013

Serial Number 4026 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 27, 2013

Serial Number 4020 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 5, 2013

Serial Number 4455 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · February 8, 2013

Serial Number 4412 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Train plate not marked Adjusted on this serial
number movement

Anonymous · February 4, 2013

Serial Number 4201 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.

Anonymous · December 3, 2012

Serial Number 4017 was reported as inaccurate.

No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · October 2, 2012

Serial Number 4804 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes

Anonymous · June 12, 2012

Serial Number 4741 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
Elgin Grade 69 Pocket Watch