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https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/4178
Access Date: February 03, 2023
"4178" could possibly indicate the grade of the watch and not the serial number of your movement. Serial numbers are usually more than a few digits.
From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 69
B.W. Raymond
Manufacturer: | Elgin | ![]() |
Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | ![]() |
Movement Serial Number: | 4178 | ![]() |
Grade: | 69 | ![]() |
Variation: | B.W. Raymond | ![]() |
Model: | 1 | ![]() |
Class: | 1 | ![]() |
Estimated Production Year: | 1867 | ![]() |
Run Quantity: | 1,000 | ![]() |
Grade/Model Run: | 3 of 24 | ![]() |
Grade/Model Total Production: | 29,054 | ![]() |
Variant Est. Production: | 26,054 (18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND) | ![]() |
Size: | 18s | ![]() |
Jewels: | 15j | ![]() |
Movement Configuration: | Adaptable | ![]() |
Movement Finish: | Gilt | ![]() |
Movement Setting: | Key | ![]() |
Plate: | Full Plate | ![]() |
Barrel: | Going | ![]() |
Train: | Quick | ![]() |
Adjusted: | Yes | ![]() |
Adjusted to Position: | Yes | ![]() |
Adjusted # of Positions: | 2 | ![]() |
Adjustment Tolerance: | [21] 2P +/- 15 s/24hrs., Temp. +/- 8 s/16hrs., Reg. +/- 5 s/24hrs. | ![]() |
Railroad Grade: | Yes | ![]() |
U.S. Patents: | 77078 | ![]() |
Data Research: |
1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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Case: | Various | ![]() |
Registry Population: | 18 (1.80%) | ![]() |
Database Version: | v49.752 | ![]() |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 69
Target Profile: 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND
Elgin Grade 69 (All Variations): 29,054 ETP | |
18S: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69 |
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18S-M1: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1 |
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18S-M1-15J: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels |
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18S-M1-15J-HGK: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels, Adaptable/Key/Gilt |
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18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P: 29,054 100.00% | |
18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND: 26,054 89.67% |
Population Registry for This Run
Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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1 | 4024 | #24 | Inferred | ||
2 |
![]() Image Credit: sgallo |
4053 | #53 | Collection | July 06, 2020 |
3 | 4069 | #69 | Inferred | ||
4 |
![]() Image Credit: texnet |
4078 | #78 | Collection | July 23, 2020 |
5 | 4165 | #165 | Collection | January 26, 2017 | |
6 |
![]() Image Credit: xtoolmanx |
4178 | #178 | Collection | October 18, 2021 |
7 | 4200 | #200 | Inferred | ||
8 |
Image Credit: mlat2012 |
4299 | #299 | Collection | June 12, 2017 |
9 | 4403 | #403 | Collection | February 08, 2016 | |
10 |
Image Credit: MJKauz |
4449 | #449 | Collection | December 19, 2019 |
11 | 4568 | #568 | Inferred | ||
12 | 4578 | #578 | Inferred | ||
13 |
![]() Image Credit: cfergyjr |
4723 | #723 | Collection | January 14, 2018 |
14 | 4807 | #807 | Inferred | ||
15 |
Image Credit: yellowsub |
4855 | #855 | Collection | June 18, 2020 |
16 | 4902 | #902 | Collection | December 14, 2020 | |
17 | 4903 | #903 | Inferred | ||
18 | 4967 | #967 | Collection | March 10, 2021 | |
Standard Deviation of Known Examples: 337.61 (Expected: 288.82, Δ48.79/4.88%) |
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
texnet Supporter 684 · July 19, 2020
Serial Number 4078 was reported as accurate.
sgallo 5 · July 6, 2020
Serial Number 4053 was reported as accurate.
MJKauz Supporter 23 · December 19, 2019
Serial Number 4449 was reported as accurate.
linesuper 1 · March 25, 2018
Serial Number 4584 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · April 24, 2017
Serial Number 4021 was reported as inaccurate.
wardralston 2 · January 26, 2017
Serial Number 4165 was reported as accurate.
aolinske 1 · January 20, 2017
Serial Number 4586 was reported as accurate.
aolinske 1 · January 20, 2017
Serial Number 4586 was reported as accurate.
jloveastvan23 1 · October 30, 2015
Serial Number 4069 was reported as accurate.
Anonymous · October 8, 2015
Serial Number 4245 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · July 2, 2013
Serial Number 4636 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · March 5, 2013
Serial Number 4455 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · February 8, 2013
Serial Number 4412 was reported as inaccurate.
number movement
Anonymous · February 4, 2013
Serial Number 4201 was reported as inaccurate.
Anonymous · December 3, 2012
Serial Number 4017 was reported as inaccurate.

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