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Access Date: March 13, 2025
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From the American Horology Archive:
Elgin National Watch Co.
Grade: 69
B.W. Raymond
| Manufacturer: | Elgin |  |
| Manufacturer Location: | Elgin, Illinois | |
| Movement Serial Number: | 4178 | |
| Grade: | 69 | |
| Variation: | B.W. Raymond | |
| Model: | 1 | |
| Class: | 1 | |
| Estimated Production Year: | 1867 | |
| Run Quantity: | 1,000 | |
| Grade/Model Run: | 3 of 24 | |
| Grade/Model Total Production: | 29,054 | |
| Variant Est. Production: | 26,054 (18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND) | |
| Size: | 18s | |
| Jewels: | 15j | |
| Movement Configuration: | Adaptable | |
| Movement Finish: | Gilt | |
| Movement Setting: | Key | |
| Plate: | Full Plate | |
| Barrel: | Going | |
| Train: | Quick | |
| Adjusted: | Yes | |
| Adjusted to Position: | Yes | |
| Adjusted # of Positions: | 2 | |
| Adjusted to Temperature: | No | |
| Adjustment Tolerance: | [21] 2P +/- 15 s/24hrs., Temp. +/- 8 s/16hrs., Reg. +/- 5 s/24hrs. | |
| Railroad Grade: | Yes | |
| U.S. Patents: | 77078 | |
| Case: | Various | |
| Run ID: | 6.69G3.18S5.181M5.H5.K5.15J5 | |
| Data Research: |
1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List |
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| Database Version: | v52.622 | |
| Advanced Metrics | ||
| PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 87.47 | |
| PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 33.75 | |
| Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration | 0.057% | |
| Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only | 22 (2.20%) | |
| $ Estimated Value (12 Month Change): | 15.29% Analyzing 296 Sales | |
Production Metrics Tree: Grade 69
Target Profile: 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND
| Elgin Grade 69 (All Variations): 29,054 ETP | |
| 18S: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69 |
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| 18S-M1: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1 |
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| 18S-M1-15J: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels |
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| 18S-M1-15J-HGK: 29,054 100.00% 18s, Grade 69, Model 1, 15 Jewels, Adaptable/Key/Gilt |
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| 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P: 29,054 100.00% | |
| 18S-M1-15J-HGK-A2P-B.W. RAYMOND: 26,054 89.67% | Other: 3,000
Other Variants or Unclassified |
Population Registry for This Run
| Image | Serial Number | Run Position | Primary Identification Method | Discovery Date | |
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There are 22 watches in the population registry for this run with 8 images.
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Verification Reports for this Run
The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.
Anonymous · April 24, 2017
Serial Number 4021 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Anonymous · October 8, 2015
Serial Number 4245 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Anonymous · July 2, 2013
Serial Number 4636 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Anonymous · March 5, 2013
Serial Number 4455 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Anonymous · February 8, 2013
Serial Number 4412 was reported as inaccurate.
Note: Train plate not marked Adjusted on this serial
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Anonymous · February 4, 2013
Serial Number 4201 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Anonymous · December 3, 2012
Serial Number 4017 was reported as inaccurate.
No further details were submitted with the report.
Changes since this report was submitted:
Adjusted changed from No to Yes
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