Elgin Pocket Watch: Serial Number 7859810 (Grade 184)

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Access Date: December 30, 2024

From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 184

B.W. Raymond

Manufacturer:	Elgin
Manufacturer Location:	Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number:	7859810
Grade:	184
Variation:	B.W. Raymond
Model:	5
Class:	7
Estimated Production Year:	1899
Run Quantity:	1,000
Grade/Model Run:	6 of 32
Grade/Model Total Production:	10,120
Size:	18s
Jewels:	17j
Jewel Setting:	Screw-Set
Movement Configuration:	Openface
Movement Finish:	Nickel
Movement Signing Style:	Formal Script
Movement Inlay Color:	Black
Movement Setting:	Pendant
Plate:	Full Plate
Barrel:	Going
Train:	Quick
Regulator:	Moseley
Hairspring:	Breguet
Adjusted:	Yes
Adjusted to Position:	Yes
Adjusted to Temperature:	Yes
Railroad Grade:	Yes
U.S. Patents:	77078, 347272, 345619
Movement Markings:	B.W. Raymond Elgin, Ill. U.S.A. 17 Jewels Adjusted Safety Pinion
Case:	Various
Run ID:	3089.184G6.18S1660.185M514.O719.P1248.17J193
Data Research:	1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Database Version:	v52.528
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	30.47
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	11.72
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	0.020%
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only	6 (0.60%)

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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 184

Target Profile: 18S-M5-17J-ONP-APT-B.W. RAYMOND

Elgin Grade 184 (All Variations): 10,120 ETP

18S: 10,120 100.00%
18s, Grade 184

18S-M5: 10,120 100.00%
18s, Grade 184, Model 5

18S-M5-17J: 10,120 100.00%
18s, Grade 184, Model 5, 17 Jewels

18S-M5-17J-ONP: 10,120 100.00%
18s, Grade 184, Model 5, 17 Jewels, Openface/Pendant/Nickel

18S-M5-17J-ONP-APT: 10,120 100.00%

18S-M5-17J-ONP-APT-B.W. RAYMOND: 10,120 100.00%

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

frankrus Supporter 34 · May 7, 2021

Serial Number 7859462 was reported as accurate.

frankrus Supporter 34 · April 30, 2021

Serial Number 7859462 was reported as accurate.

frankrus Supporter 34 · April 30, 2021

Serial Number 7859462 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · May 19, 2020

Serial Number 7859308 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · January 4, 2020

Serial Number 7859825 was reported as accurate.

ABUMALEK 97 · January 2, 2020

Serial Number 7859083 was reported as accurate.

esoxhunter Top Contributor Supporter 127 · November 1, 2018

Serial Number 7859308 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: You are correct - my mistake. It is a Grade 184
BW Raymond Model 5 OF with Mosely traveling nut
regulator and screw down jewel settings. Also, I
might add that this watch may well be RR Grade.
Pendant set watches were still being accepted into
RR service at the time of manufacture.

Curator Response: Thanks for the followup report. I agree with this assessment. The Grade 184 Raymond replaced the Grade 116 Raymond c.1898. While no catalog descriptions are known for the 184 Raymond, it was fitted with a steel escape wheel, and since the Grade 116 Raymond was specifically advertised for railroad service, it would be logical to conclude the 184 Raymond would have been intended for the same market even though we do not know the level of adjustments.

Changes since this report was submitted:

Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes

esoxhunter Top Contributor Supporter 127 · November 1, 2018

Serial Number 7859308 was reported as accurate.

Changes since this report was submitted:

Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes

esoxhunter Top Contributor Supporter 127 · August 27, 2018

Serial Number 7859308 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: This appears to be a Model 7 movement but it is
pendant set, not lever set.

Curator Response: Thanks for the report. The Model 5 is Pendant-Set and the Model 7 is Lever-Set. It sounds like you are describing a pendant-set Model 5 as the lookup information indicates, correct?

Changes since this report was submitted:

Railroad Grade changed from No to Yes