Elgin Pocket Watch: Serial Number 4454047 (Grade 27)

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Access Date: November 24, 2024

From the American Horology Archive:

Elgin National Watch Co.

Grade: 27

B.W. Raymond

Manufacturer:	Elgin
Manufacturer Location:	Elgin, Illinois
Movement Serial Number:	4454047
Grade:	27
Variation:	B.W. Raymond
Model:	2
Class:	1
Estimated Production Year:	1892
Run Quantity:	1,000
Grade/Model Run:	18 of 42
Grade/Model Total Production:	45,000
Variant Est. Production:	33,000 (18S-M2-15J)
Size:	18s
Jewels:	15j
Jewel Material:	Ruby
Jewel Setting:	Gold Settings (Screw-Set)
Movement Configuration:	Hunting
Movement Finish:	Nickel
Movement Setting:	Lever
Plate:	Full Plate
Barrel:	Going
Train:	Quick
Regulator:	Moseley
Hairspring:	Breguet
Escapement Type:	Straight-line
Standard Dial Type:	Double-Sunk
Adjusted:	Yes
Adjusted to Position:	Yes
Adjusted to Temperature:	Yes
Adjusted to Isochronism:	Yes
Railroad Grade:	Yes
Railroad Grade Classification:	Class C
U.S. Patents:	596407, 77078
Case:	Various
Run ID:	1713.27G18.18S1017.182M126.H1373.L821.15J503
Data Research:	1896 Elgin Serial List 1904 Elgin Serial List 1915 Elgin Serial List 1927/1950 Elgin Serial List
Database Version:	v52.462
Advanced Metrics
PWDB Absolute Rarity Index: Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	135.48
PWDB Relative Rarity Index: Rarity within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	52.30
Share of Production: Share within Manufacturer - Scoped for Grade/Size/Model/Configuration	0.089%
Registry Population: Scoped for This Run Only	16 (1.60%)
$ Estimated Value (12 Month Change):	2.66% Analyzing 201 Sales

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Production Metrics Tree: Grade 27

Target Profile: 18S-M2-15J-HNL-APTI-B.W. RAYMOND

Elgin Grade 27 (All Variations): 45,000 ETP
18S: 45,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 27
18S-M2: 45,000 100.00% 18s, Grade 27, Model 2
18S-M2-15J: 33,000 73.33% 18s, Grade 27, Model 2, 15 Jewels	Other: 12,000 Other Jewels or Unclassified
18S-M2-15J-HNL: 33,000 73.33% 18s, Grade 27, Model 2, 15 Jewels, Hunting/Lever/Nickel
18S-M2-15J-HNL-APTI: 33,000 73.33%
18S-M2-15J-HNL-APTI-B.W. RAYMOND: 33,000 73.33%

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Verification Reports for this Run

The following reports have been graciously submitted by dedicated members in reference to this production run. These reports are useful to verify data and track inaccuracies that require further research. Please note that reports may contain inaccurate information or assumptions that must be dilligently considered with other available sources.

Anpavl Supporter 43 · June 15, 2024

Serial Number 4454102 was reported as accurate.

MoatsJustin1 top-contributor 5269 · October 25, 2023

Serial Number 4454023 was reported as accurate.

Anonymous · March 3, 2022

Serial Number 4454698 was reported as accurate.

dfurtado 122 · June 4, 2021

Serial Number 4454047 was reported as accurate.

georged Supporter 161 · February 21, 2021

Serial Number 4454375 was reported as accurate.

Mlof73 Supporter 5 · November 8, 2020

Serial Number 4454844 was reported as accurate.

Mlof73 Supporter 5 · October 17, 2020

Serial Number 4454844 was reported as inaccurate.

Note: Non-hunter. Is open face
Also 17 jewels marked on mvmt
Also seconds dial indicator located at 3:00
position
Instead of 6:00.

Curator Response: Thanks for the report and images. Your particular movement is fitted with a "conversion dial" that allows a hunting movement to be fitted in an openface case while maintaining the stem at the 12:00 position. These dials can cause confusion related to the original factory configuration, but the Grade 27 Raymond is a hunting movement. The "17 Jewels" is not a factory marking. In addition to the rough engraving that is inconsistent with the factory markings, the center wheel is not jeweled as would be expected with a 17-Jewel B.W. Raymond movement.